Question re: how to resolve problem with beta-reader... I've got a bit of a problem here. I just received back a manuscript I sent out for beta, asking for the beta-reader to concentrate on a couple of specific areas.
However, the manuscript I got back today looked like she'd bled all over it. She not only took it upon herself to rewrite it, but she changed practically every *line.*
I appreciate that this must have taken a lot of work - however, I also feel like she's crossed the proper boundaries here. I've done a bit of beta-reading in my time, and I would never presume to rewrite someone else's work.
Some of her suggestions were pretty good, but now I don't dare incorporate them into the story for hear of her trying to claim co-author credit.
So, how do I handle this situation?
Best,
bittermint
veinglory- 01-01-2008
Frankly, and I am often too frank, I think you should be grateful. The beta has given you their opinion in all areas of the book as well as those you asked for and it is yours to use freely and fully.
bittermint- 01-01-2008
Frankly, and I am often too frank, I think you should be grateful. The beta has given you their opinion in all areas of the book as well as those you asked for and it is yours to use freely and fully.
That would be great, if I had no idea what I was doing - but believe me, I do. I asked for a specific type of beta, and I ended up with her obliterating my own voice while she imposed her own. I wouldn't be happy if an editor did that, much less a beta-reader.
Best,
bittermint
veinglory- 01-01-2008
When I give critique I always start by saying. I will give you my full opinion. You may then pay absolutely no attention.
Rather than the beta having to decide what to say, I reckon they should say everything and anything -- and then the author selects what they wish to use. It seems easier that way and less likely to miss advice that would have been helpful.
Where the difference is not correcting an error, but changing style--you don't have to make the change. The beta I was just discussing put in dozens of serial commas, I don't use them so I didn't make that change. But I considered it.
Marguerite Mingorance- 01-02-2008
Re: Question re: how to resolve problem with beta-reader...
Some of her suggestions were pretty good, but now I don't dare incorporate them into the story for hear of her trying to claim co-author credit.
Use what's good, that's why she gave it to you. if you don't then you make her efforts meaningless, and you shouldn't have given it out in the first place. Of course she's not a co-author, the final choice is yours, not hers. An acknowledgement for help is often a nice thing, you see them often in the beginnings of books.
cupnjava- 01-02-2008
Use what you agree with and kick out what you don't.
bittermint- 01-02-2008
>>>you shouldn't have given it out in the first place.<<<
I shouldn't have given *what* out in the first place?
I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with asking for a very specific kind of beta, and expecting the same back. I already had all the input re: plot, characterization, continuity, etc. that I needed from the editor who requested the rewrite in the first place. All I was looking for was another pair of eyes to make sure I hadn't missed anything - not someone who was going to take my story and make it her own.
Best,
bittermint
kmfrontain- 01-02-2008
You should thank her, take what you want from the beta, and move on with your writing. Perspective is always useful, even the perspective of a changed sentence. There may be a reason a person likes one syntax option as opposed to another. It does a writer good to figure why this might be so.
HH- 01-02-2008
What KMFrontain said. Thank him/her, use what you can, and ignore the rest.
If you're really fussed about it, you might want to explain to him/her that you had already revised the storyline as per an editor's specs, had asked the beta for a typo-scan, and acknowledge that you perhaps miscommunicated your needs, as the critiquer obviously put in a lot of hard work beyond your needs. Acknowledge too the useful points s/he raised that you'll incorporate into future work.
bittermint- 01-07-2008
Allow me to apologize for getting a bit hot under the collar here a few days ago. Last week was a real hair-puller, in more ways than I care to elaborate on.
Best,
bittermint
veinglory- 01-08-2008
First reactions to most things, for me anyway, are emotional. That's why blogs and forums are so dangerous ;)
kmfrontain- 01-09-2008
Over the past few years, I've made it a habit to write a comment, post, blog, email and then practically delete the whole thing and start from scratch. Sometimes I only end up with 10% of what I originally wrote. I still fuck up and say things that don't turn out right, but I apologize, shrug it off and move onward.
I guess I waste a lot of minutes composing posts that never get read. ;-)
Mari- 01-10-2008
I guess I waste a lot of minutes composing posts that never get read. ;-)
I've deleted more posts than I've posted and there are still times I should have never hit the submit button! LOL
Stella Omega- 01-10-2008
>>>you shouldn't have given it out in the first place.<<<
I shouldn't have given *what* out in the first place?
I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with asking for a very specific kind of beta, and expecting the same back. I already had all the input re: plot, characterization, continuity, etc. that I needed from the editor who requested the rewrite in the first place. All I was looking for was another pair of eyes to make sure I hadn't missed anything - not someone who was going to take my story and make it her own.
Best,
bittermintI think you are absolutely right.
Re-writing someone else's story is a trap that's really hard to avoid, when a beta is just starting out. I do it often enough, and gotten people very angry at me-- and I know better!
Just recently I learned about someone, and I can't think who, who is famous for his spare, lean, poetic style. It turns out, that style was all his editor's. He'd send in the manuscript, and the editor would cut out so incredibly much that he should have had co-writing credits. This writer became totally dependant on the editor.
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