Good sense from Mya as always -- except when prodding me towards the werekoala story...
AV
Oh, teddy bears are so cute!
Marguerite Mingorance- 10-04-2007
You know most koalas have STDs, right? Make sure to use a were-condom.
Is lycanthropy an STD?
Marguerite Mingorance- 10-04-2007
So, why do I not include more diversity in my writing?
Because your writing is fantasy. If people want reality they can look out the window.
Marguerite Mingorance- 10-04-2007
With black characters we have the thug, the gangbanger, the athelete, and...I know I'm missing one or two cookie cutter designs.
Black cop trying to make it in the white man's world while staying in touch with his roots.
The savvy cold-as-ice drug kingpin.
The rapper (I refuse to call rappers singers).
cupnjava- 10-04-2007
So, why do I not include more diversity in my writing?
Because your writing is fantasy. If people want reality they can look out the window.
Very good point. Very, very good point.
Add the fact that I write yaoi. That's about as fantasy as one can get even if it's a contemporary setting with not "fantasy" elements.
kmfrontain- 10-04-2007
I doubt I'll ever write a black or Asian character set in modern settings. I'd be afraid of getting the ethnic background/feel wrong. But I do like using ethnicity in my fantasy settings. Loved Him is about a black man, although he'd look more like a very dark Hawaiin.
cupnjava- 10-04-2007
I doubt I'll ever write a black or Asian character set in modern settings. I'd be afraid of getting the ethnic background/feel wrong. But I do like using ethnicity in my fantasy settings. Loved Him is about a black man, although he'd look more like a very dark Hawaiin.
Bold added.
Thank you for saying that in one sentence what took me all freaking day and too many posts to say.
Exactly! That's it.
Marguerite Mingorance- 10-04-2007
Hmm, I think you can write ethnic characters with just as diverse of backgrounds as other people. Distributions of occurrance probably vary, due to economic, political, social, and cultural factors. For example, you can have upper class blacks who are just as priviledged as whites in this country, although statistically it's more rare. It might even be interesting to stand stereotypes on their heads and write a story like that.
Smotp- 10-04-2007
Hmm, I think you can write ethnic characters with just as diverse of backgrounds as other people. Distributions of occurrance probably vary, due to economic, political, social, and cultural factors. For example, you can have upper class blacks who are just as priviledged as whites in this country, although statistically it's more rare. It might even be interesting to stand stereotypes on their heads and write a story like that.
My Sir John StJohn series is just that, a Black successfull very wealthy business man Knighted for charitable works who enjoys the pleasure of dominating white women who in turn enjy being subjugated. All the trappings of extreme welath are used in the series.
I quite enjoyed writing it!
MauiPotiki- 10-04-2007
Hmm, I think you can write ethnic characters with just as diverse of backgrounds as other people. Distributions of occurrance probably vary, due to economic, political, social, and cultural factors. For example, you can have upper class blacks who are just as priviledged as whites in this country, although statistically it's more rare. It might even be interesting to stand stereotypes on their heads and write a story like that.
Ooh I think that's what I was trying to say as well. Who says every black character has to have the sort of background where they feel they have their feet rooted in slavery? Why can't they be successful and ignore that sorta thing. I know plenty of Poly's do that. Demanding that all blacks be written like this or that seems rather pushy.
kmfrontain- 10-04-2007
The thing I find hard about it is that there's a cultural background which each ethnic group that is sometimes hard to capture. For example, Germans or Swedes: they're apparently very blunt and will tell you something is stupid right to your face if you do or say something stupid. And they don't mean anything bad by it, apparently. It's just a simple statement of fact. But you get a Canadian or American say that, you'd almost expect hurt feelings and raised hackles. It's stuff like that that makes me back off from writing a fictional character of another ethnicity set in a modern story. If I don't have sufficient info on that person's cultural way of thinking, I tend to avoid writing them. If I invent the culture, then I write them however I like.
Stella Omega- 10-04-2007
I love writing ethnicities, and one theme that keeps on coming up for me is two cultures meeting, dealing with each other in the light of supposition and then finding the human being. It's true of almost everything I write-- Rock Star, Gorgeous Biker Babe, Scary Pirate-- all turn out to be real people under the trappings. And sometimes as well, it's interesting to have your main character have to deal with someone who doesn't want to see a real person there, but wants only the fantasy.
My very first attempt as a long work-- the one that will never be completed, unless I go back and re-write an awful lot-- has a lot of black folk in it-- and white and Japanese and Hispanic.
The main characters are a white woman, her boyfriend who is very light-skinned black, his cousin who is blue-black, her friend who becomes the cousin's Girlfriend-- who is Afro-Japanese American. There is talk amongst the men about Tracy's light color-- someone calls him "That ugly little yellow fucker" and "Chinee." His biggest issue is his Sensitive Artist Syndrome that renders him incapable of functioning every once in a while. The darker Tony gets ribbed that his dick must be huge. Karen gets hit with White Guilt every once in a while; in a scene with Tony she says that she can't atone for everything the white race has done; he complains that he doesn't care either, he's only trying to get her to give him the blowjob she's promised him...
Angel, the AJA woman, is a Valley Girl first and foremost. One of Tracy's sisters is angry angry angry and hypersensitive to the race issue, and never accepts Karen as her brother's girlfriend.
veinglory- 10-04-2007
I think my preferred fantasy would be a more diverse world not a more uniform one?
I did a quick role call of my characters and found three nationalities and four ethnicities which isn't really much of a spread when editors are crying out for work that isn't the same ol' routine, historical periond, setting, mythology etc.
Stella Omega- 10-04-2007
I think my preferred fantasy would be a more diverse world not a more uniform one?
I did a quick role call of my characters and found three nationalities and four ethnicities which isn't really much of a spread when editors are crying out for work that isn't the same ol' routine, historical periond, setting, mythology etc.Ooh, that's an interesting observation!
MauiPotiki- 10-04-2007
Oooh character roll calls. I've done that before. Not in a while though.
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